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Group: DynoMotion Message: 6460 From: chrismd500 Date: 1/13/2013
Subject: Problems and problems...
Ok so after months of absolutely no issues, the problems have now seemed to come all at once. This time just out of the blue. (I've installed limit switches and home switches on all my channels to avoid crashes (a lesson I learned the hard way 6 months ago) and it works brilliantly).

Problem #1: For no apparent reason one of the channels (channel #1) on my newer Kstep (I have two Ksteps, the older one a channel got fried because a motor got jammed, but this time around there were no such incidents). From visual inspection the board looks great, no smell of burned electronics, and I believe the 3 other channels are working (did not get a chance to try them all... see problem #2).

Problem #2: Also for no apparent reason the Kflop stopped working 30 min later. After trying to figure out what the problem was with the kstep by switching motors on different channels, then, as I put the USB back into the kflop, the KFlop LED's did not come on. So I tried a different USB port and the LED's came on, but as I unplugged it and plugged it back in to the same USB port the LED's did not come back on, and has never since. Switched USB cables, tried to use a different computer, tried to use the Recover in Kmotion (following the instructions) but just received "Communication Error with KMotion", I've tried to clean the board, and still.... nothing :( When I start Kmotion it says "KMotion present but not responding". All my stuff is in an enclosed case; kflop and kstep opto-islolated using a separate 5V power supply for the ksteps. From visual inspection the kflop looks very good as well.

Suggestion?
Group: DynoMotion Message: 6463 From: Tom Kerekes Date: 1/13/2013
Subject: Re: Problems and problems...
Hi Kristoffer,

It sounds like you have tried most everything.  If you disconnect everything from KFLOP and only apply +5V and the LEDs don't flash then the board is simply bad and not recoverable.  You can send the board to us and we will test it for you.

A jammed stepper motor would not normally burn anything out.  Steppers don't really work like that.  So I'm not sure what is going on.

Was there contamination on the board?  Static electricity?  What kind of motors do you have?  What do you have the current jumpers set at?  Is the enclosure earth grounded?

Regards
TK


Group: DynoMotion Message: 6464 From: chrismd500 Date: 1/13/2013
Subject: Re: Problems and problems...
Hi Tom,

Ok, I'll send the boards to you guys. Actually I'll send all of them, remember that the first kstep the 'enable' is always on, maybe you can take a quick look at that too?

From what I could see there was no contamination on the boards, some finger prints which i removed with some 91% rubbing alcohol and cotton swabs. I saw another post here or on CNCzone about someone that had contamination on the board, and after it was removed it worked again. I did look for that on my board but couldn't see any.

No static electricity as far as I know. Yes, the enclosure is earth grounded. The jumpers are set to 2.5A, ML-ML, on all the channels. Using a 24V 15A regulated power supply. The motors are from Kelinginc.net, KL23H2100-50-4B (5A) and KL23H286-20-8B (2.8A).

http://www.kelinginc.net/KL23H2100-50-4B.pdf
http://www.kelinginc.net/KL23H286-20-8B.pdf

Thanks,
Kristoffer

--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Tom Kerekes wrote:
>
> Hi Kristoffer,
>
> It sounds like you have tried most everything.  If you disconnect everything from KFLOP and only apply +5V and the LEDs don't flash then the board is simply bad and not recoverable.  You can send the board to us and we will test it for you.
>
> A jammed stepper motor would not normally burn anything out.  Steppers don't really work like that.  So I'm not sure what is going on.
>
> Was there contamination on the board?  Static electricity?  What kind of motors do you have?  What do you have the current jumpers set at?  Is the enclosure earth grounded?
>
> Regards
> TK
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: chrismd500
> To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 2:56 PM
> Subject: [DynoMotion] Problems and problems...
>
>
>  
> Ok so after months of absolutely no issues, the problems have now seemed to come all at once. This time just out of the blue. (I've installed limit switches and home switches on all my channels to avoid crashes (a lesson I learned the hard way 6 months ago) and it works brilliantly).
>
> Problem #1: For no apparent reason one of the channels (channel #1) on my newer Kstep (I have two Ksteps, the older one a channel got fried because a motor got jammed, but this time around there were no such incidents). From visual inspection the board looks great, no smell of burned electronics, and I believe the 3 other channels are working (did not get a chance to try them all... see problem #2).
>
> Problem #2: Also for no apparent reason the Kflop stopped working 30 min later. After trying to figure out what the problem was with the kstep by switching motors on different channels, then, as I put the USB back into the kflop, the KFlop LED's did not come on. So I tried a different USB port and the LED's came on, but as I unplugged it and plugged it back in to the same USB port the LED's did not come back on, and has never since. Switched USB cables, tried to use a different computer, tried to use the Recover in Kmotion (following the instructions) but just received "Communication Error with KMotion", I've tried to clean the board, and still.... nothing :( When I start Kmotion it says "KMotion present but not responding". All my stuff is in an enclosed case; kflop and kstep opto-islolated using a separate 5V power supply for the ksteps. From visual inspection the kflop looks very good as well.
>
> Suggestion?
>
Group: DynoMotion Message: 6466 From: Tom Kerekes Date: 1/13/2013
Subject: Re: Problems and problems...
Hi Kristoffer,

If not too difficult maybe include one of each motor?  Send to my attention RMA#14

Also please indicate which axis was acting bad and also which motor type was connected to which axis.

Regards
TK


Group: DynoMotion Message: 6467 From: chrismd500 Date: 1/13/2013
Subject: Re: Problems and problems...
Tom,

Sure, I'll include one of each motor as well. Send it tomorrow.

Thank you.

--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Tom Kerekes wrote:
>
> Hi Kristoffer,
>
> If not too difficult maybe include one of each motor?  Send to my attention RMA#14
>
> Also please indicate which axis was acting bad and also which motor type was connected to which axis.
>
> Regards
> TK
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: chrismd500
> To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 5:25 PM
> Subject: [DynoMotion] Re: Problems and problems...
>
>
>  
> Hi Tom,
>
> Ok, I'll send the boards to you guys. Actually I'll send all of them, remember that the first kstep the 'enable' is always on, maybe you can take a quick look at that too?
>
> From what I could see there was no contamination on the boards, some finger prints which i removed with some 91% rubbing alcohol and cotton swabs. I saw another post here or on CNCzone about someone that had contamination on the board, and after it was removed it worked again. I did look for that on my board but couldn't see any.
>
> No static electricity as far as I know. Yes, the enclosure is earth grounded. The jumpers are set to 2.5A, ML-ML, on all the channels. Using a 24V 15A regulated power supply. The motors are from Kelinginc.net, KL23H2100-50-4B (5A) and KL23H286-20-8B (2.8A).
>
> http://www.kelinginc.net/KL23H2100-50-4B.pdf
> http://www.kelinginc.net/KL23H286-20-8B.pdf
>
> Thanks,
> Kristoffer
>
> --- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Tom Kerekes wrote:
> >
> > Hi Kristoffer,
> >
> > It sounds like you have tried most everything.  If you disconnect everything from KFLOP and only apply +5V and the LEDs don't flash then the board is simply bad and not recoverable.  You can send the board to us and we will test it for you.
> >
> > A jammed stepper motor would not normally burn anything out.  Steppers don't really work like that.  So I'm not sure what is going on.
> >
> > Was there contamination on the board?  Static electricity?  What kind of motors do you have?  What do you have the current jumpers set at?  Is the enclosure earth grounded?
> >
> > Regards
> > TK
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: chrismd500
> > To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 2:56 PM
> > Subject: [DynoMotion] Problems and problems...
> >
> >
> >  
> > Ok so after months of absolutely no issues, the problems have now seemed to come all at once. This time just out of the blue. (I've installed limit switches and home switches on all my channels to avoid crashes (a lesson I learned the hard way 6 months ago) and it works brilliantly).
> >
> > Problem #1: For no apparent reason one of the channels (channel #1) on my newer Kstep (I have two Ksteps, the older one a channel got fried because a motor got jammed, but this time around there were no such incidents). From visual inspection the board looks great, no smell of burned electronics, and I believe the 3 other channels are working (did not get a chance to try them all... see problem #2).
> >
> > Problem #2: Also for no apparent reason the Kflop stopped working 30 min later. After trying to figure out what the problem was with the kstep by switching motors on different channels, then, as I put the USB back into the kflop, the KFlop LED's did not come on. So I tried a different USB port and the LED's came on, but as I unplugged it and plugged it back in to the same USB port the LED's did not come back on, and has never since. Switched USB cables, tried to use a different computer, tried to use the Recover in Kmotion (following the instructions) but just received "Communication Error with KMotion", I've tried to clean the board, and still.... nothing :( When I start Kmotion it says "KMotion present but not responding". All my stuff is in an enclosed case; kflop and kstep opto-islolated using a separate 5V power supply for the ksteps. From visual inspection the kflop looks very good as well.
> >
> > Suggestion?
> >
>
Group: DynoMotion Message: 6478 From: chrismd500 Date: 1/14/2013
Subject: Re: Problems and problems...
Tom,
I shipped it this morning with USPS priority and you should have it Wednesday.

On both of the ksteps you will see that I had to shorten and bend the JP31 JP32 pins due to a space issues in the enclosure. I also removed current setting pins on the defect channel on my older kstep to make sure I (or someone else) wouldn't accidentally try to use that channel again.

I didn't check for contamination on the ksteps since the kflop stopped working before I got a chance to see if that could have caused the ch #1 defect. I sent them as-is.

Thanks again!

--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, "chrismd500" wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> Sure, I'll include one of each motor as well. Send it tomorrow.
>
> Thank you.
>
> --- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Tom Kerekes wrote:
> >
> > Hi Kristoffer,
> >
> > If not too difficult maybe include one of each motor?  Send to my attention RMA#14
> >
> > Also please indicate which axis was acting bad and also which motor type was connected to which axis.
> >
> > Regards
> > TK
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: chrismd500
> > To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 5:25 PM
> > Subject: [DynoMotion] Re: Problems and problems...
> >
> >
> >  
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > Ok, I'll send the boards to you guys. Actually I'll send all of them, remember that the first kstep the 'enable' is always on, maybe you can take a quick look at that too?
> >
> > From what I could see there was no contamination on the boards, some finger prints which i removed with some 91% rubbing alcohol and cotton swabs. I saw another post here or on CNCzone about someone that had contamination on the board, and after it was removed it worked again. I did look for that on my board but couldn't see any.
> >
> > No static electricity as far as I know. Yes, the enclosure is earth grounded. The jumpers are set to 2.5A, ML-ML, on all the channels. Using a 24V 15A regulated power supply. The motors are from Kelinginc.net, KL23H2100-50-4B (5A) and KL23H286-20-8B (2.8A).
> >
> > http://www.kelinginc.net/KL23H2100-50-4B.pdf
> > http://www.kelinginc.net/KL23H286-20-8B.pdf
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kristoffer
> >
> > --- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Tom Kerekes wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Kristoffer,
> > >
> > > It sounds like you have tried most everything.  If you disconnect everything from KFLOP and only apply +5V and the LEDs don't flash then the board is simply bad and not recoverable.  You can send the board to us and we will test it for you.
> > >
> > > A jammed stepper motor would not normally burn anything out.  Steppers don't really work like that.  So I'm not sure what is going on.
> > >
> > > Was there contamination on the board?  Static electricity?  What kind of motors do you have?  What do you have the current jumpers set at?  Is the enclosure earth grounded?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > TK
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: chrismd500
> > > To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 2:56 PM
> > > Subject: [DynoMotion] Problems and problems...
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > > Ok so after months of absolutely no issues, the problems have now seemed to come all at once. This time just out of the blue. (I've installed limit switches and home switches on all my channels to avoid crashes (a lesson I learned the hard way 6 months ago) and it works brilliantly).
> > >
> > > Problem #1: For no apparent reason one of the channels (channel #1) on my newer Kstep (I have two Ksteps, the older one a channel got fried because a motor got jammed, but this time around there were no such incidents). From visual inspection the board looks great, no smell of burned electronics, and I believe the 3 other channels are working (did not get a chance to try them all... see problem #2).
> > >
> > > Problem #2: Also for no apparent reason the Kflop stopped working 30 min later. After trying to figure out what the problem was with the kstep by switching motors on different channels, then, as I put the USB back into the kflop, the KFlop LED's did not come on. So I tried a different USB port and the LED's came on, but as I unplugged it and plugged it back in to the same USB port the LED's did not come back on, and has never since. Switched USB cables, tried to use a different computer, tried to use the Recover in Kmotion (following the instructions) but just received "Communication Error with KMotion", I've tried to clean the board, and still.... nothing :( When I start Kmotion it says "KMotion present but not responding". All my stuff is in an enclosed case; kflop and kstep opto-islolated using a separate 5V power supply for the ksteps. From visual inspection the kflop looks very good as well.
> > >
> > > Suggestion?
> > >
> >
>
Group: DynoMotion Message: 6479 From: chrismd500 Date: 1/14/2013
Subject: Re: Problems and problems...
I forgot to add:
The 1st kstep, with the fried ch#3 (very noticable), I currently use ch #0-2 with all KL23H286-20-8B's. BUT at the time ch#3 got fried i used #0-1 KL23H286-20-8B and #2-3 KL23H2100-50-4B. Always using 2.5A/channel for all channels.

The 2nd kstep (newest), which now has a problem with ch#1, have always used ch#0-1 with KL23H2100-50-4B's and ch#2-3 with KL23H286-20-8B's. Always using 2.5A/channel for all channels.

The motor KL23H2100-50-4B i sent was the one that was connected to the now defect ch#1 on the 2nd kstep (but not the motor that was on ch#3 on the 1st kstep). Not sure if the it was just a coincidence that I used KL23H2100-50-4B on both the defect channels, or if there is a problem/incompatibility with that model... I know it's 5A motor and I'm running the ch with 2.5A, but from what I understand it should be ok (just a lower torque output than the rated torque).

--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, "chrismd500" wrote:
>
> Tom,
> I shipped it this morning with USPS priority and you should have it Wednesday.
>
> On both of the ksteps you will see that I had to shorten and bend the JP31 JP32 pins due to a space issues in the enclosure. I also removed current setting pins on the defect channel on my older kstep to make sure I (or someone else) wouldn't accidentally try to use that channel again.
>
> I didn't check for contamination on the ksteps since the kflop stopped working before I got a chance to see if that could have caused the ch #1 defect. I sent them as-is.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> --- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, "chrismd500" wrote:
> >
> > Tom,
> >
> > Sure, I'll include one of each motor as well. Send it tomorrow.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > --- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Tom Kerekes wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Kristoffer,
> > >
> > > If not too difficult maybe include one of each motor?  Send to my attention RMA#14
> > >
> > > Also please indicate which axis was acting bad and also which motor type was connected to which axis.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > TK
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: chrismd500
> > > To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 5:25 PM
> > > Subject: [DynoMotion] Re: Problems and problems...
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > > Hi Tom,
> > >
> > > Ok, I'll send the boards to you guys. Actually I'll send all of them, remember that the first kstep the 'enable' is always on, maybe you can take a quick look at that too?
> > >
> > > From what I could see there was no contamination on the boards, some finger prints which i removed with some 91% rubbing alcohol and cotton swabs. I saw another post here or on CNCzone about someone that had contamination on the board, and after it was removed it worked again. I did look for that on my board but couldn't see any.
> > >
> > > No static electricity as far as I know. Yes, the enclosure is earth grounded. The jumpers are set to 2.5A, ML-ML, on all the channels. Using a 24V 15A regulated power supply. The motors are from Kelinginc.net, KL23H2100-50-4B (5A) and KL23H286-20-8B (2.8A).
> > >
> > > http://www.kelinginc.net/KL23H2100-50-4B.pdf
> > > http://www.kelinginc.net/KL23H286-20-8B.pdf
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Kristoffer
> > >
> > > --- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Tom Kerekes wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Kristoffer,
> > > >
> > > > It sounds like you have tried most everything.  If you disconnect everything from KFLOP and only apply +5V and the LEDs don't flash then the board is simply bad and not recoverable.  You can send the board to us and we will test it for you.
> > > >
> > > > A jammed stepper motor would not normally burn anything out.  Steppers don't really work like that.  So I'm not sure what is going on.
> > > >
> > > > Was there contamination on the board?  Static electricity?  What kind of motors do you have?  What do you have the current jumpers set at?  Is the enclosure earth grounded?
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > TK
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: chrismd500
> > > > To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 2:56 PM
> > > > Subject: [DynoMotion] Problems and problems...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > > Ok so after months of absolutely no issues, the problems have now seemed to come all at once. This time just out of the blue. (I've installed limit switches and home switches on all my channels to avoid crashes (a lesson I learned the hard way 6 months ago) and it works brilliantly).
> > > >
> > > > Problem #1: For no apparent reason one of the channels (channel #1) on my newer Kstep (I have two Ksteps, the older one a channel got fried because a motor got jammed, but this time around there were no such incidents). From visual inspection the board looks great, no smell of burned electronics, and I believe the 3 other channels are working (did not get a chance to try them all... see problem #2).
> > > >
> > > > Problem #2: Also for no apparent reason the Kflop stopped working 30 min later. After trying to figure out what the problem was with the kstep by switching motors on different channels, then, as I put the USB back into the kflop, the KFlop LED's did not come on. So I tried a different USB port and the LED's came on, but as I unplugged it and plugged it back in to the same USB port the LED's did not come back on, and has never since. Switched USB cables, tried to use a different computer, tried to use the Recover in Kmotion (following the instructions) but just received "Communication Error with KMotion", I've tried to clean the board, and still.... nothing :( When I start Kmotion it says "KMotion present but not responding". All my stuff is in an enclosed case; kflop and kstep opto-islolated using a separate 5V power supply for the ksteps. From visual inspection the kflop looks very good as well.
> > > >
> > > > Suggestion?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>